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ole martin gilbu
NORWAY
fiskejegeren.COM
ONE YEAR WITH
LOC WADERS
It's time for a post about the LOC waders. I've received quite a few questions about these waders. The most common questions are about durability and quality. Is it worth the money is definitely the question I've received the most.
Now that I've tested these waders for a year, I want to share my thoughts.
I'm known for fishing a bit more than the average person, which means these waders have been on numerous trips since I received them. I was one of the first to start using these waders in Norway, and without a doubt. I've used them in all kinds of weather conditions and temperatures.
They have been tested quite rigorously, to say the least. Durability in waders isn't measured in the number of years you own them, but in the number of trips they endure.
Those who know me are aware that I have strict requirements for the equipment I choose for my fishing. Additionally, I've always been completely honest in my feedback on the equipment I've tested. I only recommend products that I would use in my own fishing.
I've tested many different waders over the years. In this post, I choose not to make comparisons or delve into anything else.
Instead, I'd rather get straight to the point about these waders. LOC is exceptional. Let me explain.
When I first saw and felt the LOC waders at Nordisk Fiskeutstyr in Oslo a year ago, I was skeptical. They felt heavy, and I had concerns, especially considering how much I move during my fishing. How would it perform without breathability?
An active sea trout angler covers long distances, jumps and climbs on rocky terrain. You want to keep moisture and condensation away from your body as much as possible. Additionally, you want a durable pair of waders.
Nevertheless, I chose to give LOC a go. After just a few trips, I concluded that these waders were perfect for my kind of fishing.
The feeling when you put them on and the fit is excellent. The pockets and features works fine. I wish there was a small waterproof pocket on the inside, but it's not a must, just a bit of a nerdy request if I could choose.
The first trip in cold water was a breeze. You didn't even notice the water. These waders turned out to be fantastic for wading in the winter season. It's a new experience when you don't feel the cold water. But, not everything is perfect. LOC has chosen to compress the neoprene on the feet to around 3mm. I understand it's for increased durability. The downside is that you loose a bit of insulation. This means it's more important than ever to wear wading boots that aren't too tight. Boots with a bit of "breathing room" for your feet (note: important is that you maintain a good heel grip so that your feet stays put). Good socks are also crucial.
LOC has introduced its own Merino wool socks that work well. Of course, there are many other good options. The most important thing here is to wear the right socks.
Moving around in these waders is effortless, and the feeling of heaviness disappears with use, I would say.
The Dupont Kevlar panels on the knees and shins get a thumbs up from me. As mentioned earlier, I've tested these waders quite rigorously, more than you should expose a pair of waders to. I've slipped on rocks, spent a lot of time on my knees, gone through thorny bushes, and given them a really rough treatment. My conclusion is that the waders are still intact. You shouldn't treat waders this way, and LOC is by no means invincible. Nonetheless, it's been interesting to see how much they can withstand.
There's an elastic wading belt, a must for me. The two large chest pockets work well with good placement. Adjustable shoulder straps with padding.
Two small loops to hang various items on are a plus. I wish the gravel guards were a bit longer.
Summer fishing with LOC has worked well. I was concerned about the warmer days and increased movement but I was quite impressed that these waders didn't cause me to overheat. On the hottest days in summer, I did switch to a different pair of waders. It was sooo hot that even with the other waders, I felt tempted to fish in a “naturist” style.
The system with the patented, detachable, hydrophobic 3-D mesh lining works.
Is the wader worth the price, as I mentioned at the beginning of the post, is a recurring question. I can't disagree that these are expensive waders. But if you look at other brands with their top models, they are also relatively pricey. So, are LOC waders worth their price?
That's up to each individual to decide. What I can say is that LOC waders meet all my requirements for my fishing. I often choose what I consider the best products from different brands. It doesn't always mean the most expensive from each brand, but what I believe is the best for my fishing and my needs.
Can I recommend LOC? Absolutely. If you fish a lot and need waders you can rely on, it's worth checking out LOC waders.
Regardless of the brand, whether it's expensive or more affordable, taking care of your wading gear is important. Rinse it in fresh water after using it in saltwater, and, most importantly, let it dry. Maintaining your fishing equipment is crucial.
Read more about LOC waders on their website WWW.LOCWADING.COM
Finally, I want to mention that this post is in collaboration with Fiskejegeren and is a personal equipment test. Just like I've shared thoughts on other equipment over the years.
In other words, this is not a pair of waders I received from LOC, nor is it a promotional arrangement. It's unfortunate that I have to mention this due to cases of false information spreading. /Ole Martin
HENNA ILONAA
FINLAND
Hi LOC! I promised to let you know when I’ve tested the waders in March. As I’m writing now, almost 3 months later, I ended up fishing only a couple of times in cold water (3- 7°C) conditions. So I just wanted to give the waders a few more hours of use before writing down any of my thoughts.
It looks like another boiling hot seasonstart about to pick up in Kymi-river. The cooler morning hours are good for gear testing though, so I have stepped in at dawn and got out from water before the morning coffee break. I’m fishing in my old Patagonia R-series underwear, so I’m propably not even getting the best experience in these waders yet. I’m looking forward to try the LOC underwear later though!
From opening the box that the waders come in, the waders look ”like no other”, smart and reliable from the time you unpack the package. The pockets are big enough and the zippers are smooth to use. The braces are nice and easy to adjust.
The waders are comfortable both to wear and use in the water. Yesterday I ended up thinking they are almost ridicilously light in the water! The combination of the outer hardshell with the removable inner 3-D mesh feels very soft against the body, reducing the pressure of water. Maybe you can explain better how the magic happens here? (Read more on this here)
Another remarkable detail I continuously wonder is that these waders, like promised, don’t transfer any of the outer or inner moistures to your body. From my point of view this is one of the most important features and these waders stands out from the rest.
In rotation fishing (both when fishing, but also as you rise out from the water and start waiting for your next fishing turn) you don’t start to feel cold because of the inner or outer moisture pressing against your body. The constant coldness I used to feel when wading in low temperatures no longer exists. I also don’t need to wear so many extra-layers to keep warm.
I like to think that whichever gear, clothings, tips and tricks that let me spend more quality time on the water, are steps towards the salmon connection. The LOC waders definitely work in these aspects! I dare to say it’s the best waders for most fishing conditions I´ve had so far.
I can think of only one better wader that could kick the current LOC ”stockingfoot” waders ass, and that is the LOC bootfoot waders...🤗 /Henna
Pohjolan Perhokalastaja magazine
FINLAND
Independent tests carried out / Riippumattomat testit suoritettu
by Jyri Yläpöntinen
"ARE THOSE THE OVER 1500 EURO WADERS
THAT DON´T EVEN BREATH?"
My fishing buddy's sarcastic question captures the essence of many fly fishermen's prejudices against LOC waders. One joker even joked about "upside-down pants," referring to their lack of breathability. With these attitudes, it's child's play to paint even stronger prejudices, but what is the truth behind the marketing speeches and slogans? Let's wade deeper into the controversy.
Background of the test
LOC waders have been on the Finnish market for over a year now, since March 2022. In Finland, these waders are exclusively sold by Ruoto, with whom the test has been conducted in collaboration. However, it should be noted that Ruoto has not influenced the test results or wading experiences in any way. It wouldn't be a real test if the words were put in our mouths. In this first part of the test, we will go through the winter season until the beginning of summer. I have worn the waders about twenty times, from the January frost to the beginning of May. In the second part, which will be published later, the aim is to cover the summer season, including the durability aspect.
Now, a word about the tester. I have been fly fishing for about 23 years. Until recent years, my fishing has been almost exclusively focused on river fishing. In the vicinity of Jyväskylä, we have plenty of river fishing spots by Finnish standards. In the best years, I have probably had over a hundred river fishing days, so I have gained some competence in waders and wading over the years. I fish in rivers throughout the year, so I have experiences from winter days spent on the riverbank with frozen eggs to summer heatwaves. The rapids in Central Finland are really tough and demanding places for wading gear, compared to the more peaceful salmon pools in the North.
Typically, the waders I have used have lasted from one to a maximum of two years, so the wear and tear have been significant. Every time, my relationship with the waders has ended in a disappointing leak, regardless of the brand. This is probably always the case in the end, but you would simply expect more from the best models of the market leaders. Over the years, I have mostly worn Simms waders, but other brands worth mentioning include Patagonia, Vision, and Guideline. The most durable ones were the original Vision Extremes, purchased as sample waders from Perhokolmio, I believe from the early 2000s. The durability of membrane waders has since declined sharply, so it is very interesting to know if LOC will change this game and how.
The story of LOC waders
LOC Waders originate from our western neighbour Sweden, but their story goes back over half a decade to Norway, specifically the salmon river Orkla. The design of the waders began out of frustration among experienced fly fishermen with the waders available on the market, broken promises, and wet undergarments. There can't be a more vital starting point for product development than leaky waders being the ultimate nuisance.
I have also wondered how even the market leaders in wading gear can't make their flagship models last, something is amiss. Nowadays, the available waders are almost exclusively membrane-based. The founders of LOC set out to design waders against the mainstream, with an "out of the box" mentality. Belief in their own expertise and problem-solving abilities must be strong to dare to fight windmills.
The completion of the first prototypes required an immense amount of research, material testing, design, and patterning. Then came rigorous testing for several years until the waders were ready for the competitive market. So where did Mr. Andersson and Mr. Litzell end up? What are LOC waders really like?
Non-Breathable waders
Indeed, LOC 3-D Mesh Tech™ waders do not breathe, which is the first observation about their structure. The weakest link in breathable waders is often the membrane structure, which is put to the test when wading in rapids and moving in rocky riverbanks. The structure of non-breathable waders needs to be different and airy to prevent condensation and moisture from accumulating on the outer fabric and soaking the fisherman. Inside the waders, there is an integrated and detachable 3-D mesh lining, for which patents have even been granted. The detachable lining also affects the sense of water pressure, which is quite different compared to membrane waders. More on that later, as well as the lining's impact on the weight of the waders.
The outer fabric of the waders is Tri-laminate Butyl material, which is used in drysuits designed for scuba diving. This, at least on paper, adds durability to the waders. If the fabric can withstand cave and wreck diving, it should be able to handle more intense fishing situations. The fabric is described as extremely durable, soft, and even flexible. The shins and knees are reinforced with soft kevlar panels. The waders stay in place with adjustable and wide mesh suspenders.
Like other premium models, LOC waders have a front zipper, a TIZIP model. The zipper helps with putting on the close-fitting waders and comes in handy when the fisherman finally needs to relieve themselves. Sturdy pockets can be found on both sides of the top part of the waders. The waders come with a sturdy yet elastic 50 mm wading belt with a quick release buckle.
LOC has created very detailed marketing texts, size charts, and images for their waders. For those with a more inquisitive engineering mind, more detailed information can be found on the internet. So let's put on the waders and fill the remaining space with test experiences instead of trivial information.
When opening the package, you will find dark waders with red details. There is a red heron wading bird printed on the right thigh and a small Swedish flag in the corner of the chest pocket. The Swedish flag indicates the roots of LOC, while the manufacturing country is China, as stated on the label. It should be mentioned that you can find quality work in China if you are willing to pay for it. The assembly of LOC waders is done in a small Chinese family business that has been working with LOC wader materials for decades. The materials themselves are sourced from Europe and Japan.
At first touch, the main material feels thicker than breathable waders. The material is soft, with a mesh lining attached by a zipper and Velcro, adding to the comfort. The kevlar reinforcements on the knees are clearly visible. There is a wider mesh fabric section underneath the suspenders, and the adjustments feel sturdy. There is a spot for a net on the back of the waders. The waders have two large side-opening chest pockets, but the inner pockets commonly found in waders have been left out.
Weight and size
The thickness of the material and the mesh lining are reflected in the weight of the waders. The size L test waders weighed about 2.2 kg. As a comparison, Simms G4Z waders weigh about 1.4 kg according to online information. Thin breathable waders weigh very little, even compared to thick Simms waders. If you are looking to reduce weight for a long wading trip, this is something to consider.
LOC waders are designed to have a snug fit, and they truly are. For someone around 177 cm and 95 kg, size L is the most suitable, but the base layer should be minimal. Compared to other waders I have tried, these waders have a snugger fit, so there is no room for bulky base layers.
Baselayer and wader experience
One of the most noticeable differences with LOC waders is that they do not require thick base layers. During the first tests in the heart of winter, I wore two pairs of thick merino wool long underwear, which turned out to be unnecessary. The airy mesh lining truly keeps the angler warm in winter, as the cold outer fabric does not press against the skin. This is great for winter fishing, as I was able to stay warm with just a single pair of 235 g/m2 merino wool long underwear, even though the guides on my fly rod froze on the riverbank. Normally, I would wear as many layers as possible with breathable waders. LOC recommends only using a thin merino wool base layers, as it is a natural super material that works well with any waders.
However, in cold water fishing, it is important to wear good socks, as the waders' sock sections are made of neoprene. They feel slightly thinner than in my previous waders, but according to the manufacturer, they are made of very dense material. I also tested LOC's own merino wool socks, which worked exceptionally well in combination with thinner and thicker pairs, a pleasantly positive surprise. In summer tests, the importance of wearing the right length of socks will be emphasised, as the manufacturer does not recommend wearing overly long knee socks to ensure proper circulation. It is worth noting that LOC's socks are made in Sweden, which is a plus in my book.
Standing in a cold river, the LOC waders are exceptionally warm. The pressure from the water is less compared to breathable waders, and the mesh lining prevents the skin from sticking to the outer fabric. The marketing text mentioned the feeling of being embraced by the waders, and I can confirm that feeling. Of course, I have not yet tested them in the most challenging rapids, but the difference compared to breathable waders is already clear.
WINTER TESTS
I started the tests in January, and as I write this, it is the end of April. I have used the waders while walking on the beach, wading in calm areas, and float tubing in the winter and spring. So far, I can honestly say that the waders have provided the best wading experience in winter conditions. I particularly appreciate that the waders have a slight stretch to them, and you don't need a full wardrobe of base layers. The chest pockets are spacious, so you can easily fit a couple of fly boxes with leaders for quick access during winter fishing. The waders didn't leak, and it actually felt more carefree to wade with LOC waders. So far, the lack of a waterproof membrane has not been a problem, as the air seems to circulate well in the waders.
As we transition to the summer season, the nature of the tests will change. The waders will be tested in warmer waters, hot weather, and sharp river rocks. By the time the fishing season starts, I will have a full year of experience to offer to all river anglers. When we test, we test properly. So far so good!
INTERVIEW WITH LOC WADERS - Christer Andersson (co-founder)
LOC Waders' story began in Orkla. Are you mainly salmon fishermen and have your waders been developed primarily with salmon fishing in mind?
"Our waders are designed for dedicated/hardcore fishermen who value quality without compromises. For those who spend countless days on the water and really put their gear to the test year-round. We are mainly salmon fishermen, but the waders are designed for all types of fishing in demanding environments."
Your waders are the most expensive on the market. What makes them
worth it compared to other manufacturers' flagship models?
"Our waders have a high price point because we use the best materials without compromise. Our waders are also handmade by skilled professionals. Are they worth it? Well, the first prototype of our LOC waders is still in continuous use. They have never leaked and are now on their eight fishing season. They barely show any signs of wear, compared to a new LOC wader, which is incredible. "
Your waders are thicker and feel sturdy. What can we expect in
terms of durability?
“Our first prototype has been in use for seven years without any problems. According to our philosophy, the customer should own and use the waders for a long time. Our waders are also designed thoroughly so that they can be repaired over and over again. Of course, eventually our pants will need repairs and maintenance. So, if something happens, send your waders to us and we will fix them. The pants will last for several years. In a perfect world, your children will inherit your waders and continue fishing with them."
You recommend using your own merino wool socks with your waders. Why would your socks be a good purchase?
Merino wool is truly nature's own high-tech material. It´s unbeatable in providing warmth, moisture wicking, and breathability capabilities. Our socks (and merino wool base layers) are all made in Sweden, just an hour's drive from where we live. It feels really nice to produce quality products together with small family-owned businesses."
